http://wiki.apidesign.org/index.php?title=Talk:Cooperating_with_Other_APIs&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Cooperating with Other APIs - Revision history2024-03-29T05:42:53ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.12.0rc1http://wiki.apidesign.org/index.php?title=Talk:Cooperating_with_Other_APIs&diff=2856&oldid=prevJaroslavTulach: /* Possible wording mistake at p173 */2009-09-12T03:12:08Z<p><span class="autocomment">Possible wording mistake at p173</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Thanks ''swv'' for your questions. I'll try to provide [[Blogs|blog answer]] soon, but here are short comments:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Thanks ''swv'' for your questions. I'll try to provide [[Blogs|blog answer]] soon, but here are short comments:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* if the class B is not part of [[API]], then it does not matter how poorly (from [[evolution]] point of view it is designed<del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* if the class B is not part of [[API]], then it does not matter how poorly (from [[evolution]] point of view<ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">) </ins>it is designed</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* if the class B is in an [[API]] (probably it should not, as deep, including two, object hierarchies do not belong in [[API]]), it can still make all the overriden methods ''protected final''. Potentially introduce some new ''protected abstract'' - e.g. positioning class C into similar situation as B was when it was created. </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>* if the class B is in an [[API]] (probably it should not, as deep, including two, object hierarchies do not belong in [[API]]), it can still make all the overriden methods ''protected final''. Potentially introduce some new ''protected abstract'' - e.g. positioning class C into similar situation as B was when it was created. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Thanks ''swv'' for your questions. I'll try to [[Blogs|blog answer]] soon, but here are short comments:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Thanks ''swv'' for your questions. I'll try to <ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">provide </ins>[[Blogs|blog answer]] soon, but here are short comments:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* if the class B is in an [[API]] (probably it should not, as deep, including two, object hierarchies do not belong in [[API]]), it can still make all the overriden methods ''protected final''. Potentially introduce some new ''protected abstract'' - e.g. positioning class C into similar situation as B was when it was created. </ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>So this is the table on page 174 of the Apress book. Reading some of these posts it appears that the page numbers they refer to and the page numbers I have in my book are different.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>So this is the table on page 174 of the Apress book. Reading some of these posts it appears that the page numbers they refer to and the page numbers I have in my book are different.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What am I misunderstanding?</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>What am I misunderstanding?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">So this is the table on page 174 of the Apress book. Reading some of these posts it appears that the page numbers they refer to and the page numbers I have in my book are different.</ins></div></td></tr>
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